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Vanessa Hessler took the otherPeter.HowardNov 13, 09:21 PMyeah the happy mac thats what i see no matter when i push the shift key It of course shouldn't matter, but you are using the shift key below the caps lock? I'm about at the limit of my knowledge from what I remember about these sorry. Maybe someone else can jump in with some ideas? Seems odd that it will not boot without